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  • Direct Taxes and Article 1, Section 2

    Great article! Don’t forget that prior to 1913 and the creation of the 16th amendment, the Federal government had no authority to directly tax the people. All “direct” taxes were levied against the States according to Article 1, section 2:

    “Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers…”

    Also, Lincoln was the first to institute a direct tax on the people as an income tax, he did so in violation of the US Constitution as the Federal government had no authority to do so.

    • Matt, thank you for the comment. It amazes me how many people just assume just because we have taxes now, it must have always been this way. No it was not. Direct taxes make the US poor and are questionable in terms of the constitutionality. I have to pay them as I believe in the law, but that does no mean I have to like it.

  • This is a very selective set of quotations. Jefferson was in favor of a radically progressive tax code. Yes, he wanted elimination of “internal taxes”, but you neglect to mention his justification for this which he spells out explicitly in quotes that you fail to mention.

    In particular, he wanted high taxes on imports because at that time consumption of imports was mainly by wealthy elites. He thinks the rich should be taxed heavily to avoid America trending towards an aristocracy of economic elites (compare to present day corporatism and wealth disparity).

    If Jefferson were around today he would not necessarily pursue the same means to the end of progressive taxation, yet you mislead the reader by suggesting that Jefferson’s positions are an end in themselves rather than a means to specific ends which are adapted to his historical context and not immediately transferable to ours.

    • Thomas Jefferson and direct taxes

      If you aggregate local, state and Federal direct taxes, in addition to property taxes, fees and sales taxes as well as import taxes that exist today, also the debt, which is a form of taxation and quantitative easing, which is another form of taxation, I have no question that Thomas Jefferson think your interpretation is way off base. No way could Thomas Jefferson have even imagined the oppressive government debt ridden government that exists today.

      Progessive taxation is not bad, it is the idea of direct taxation in general. This idea of working for another man’s wife and forcing redistribution of wealth is what I think is twisted. There are much better ways to raise tax revenue for the finance of small government.

      I respect you position and but it is only remotely plausible because direct taxation and other forms of taxes as they exist today did not even start until just before WWI with small exceptions like the Civil War.

      What is direct taxation? Direct taxation, is a penalty for productive activity which is something radically different from an import duty which is about consumption.

      You want to argue agaist having an elite in the USA and invoke Jefferson? Come live where I live, in Eastern Europe. The ultimate abuse of power is when government tries to make everything more fair and equal. Wrong. I invite you to live in a post communist country. The poor in the USA are to me like super rich. Come live where I live.

  • Excellent on taxation

    The current form of taxation is the defintion of tyranny; According to the American Heritage Dictionary:

    n.
    The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

    That describes taxation to the letter; “threatened use of force…by…an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating [and]or coercing societ[y], often for… political reasons.” (Changes mine… to emphasize the point)

    • Can you imagine instead of the Obama stimulous we gave everyone in the USA a tax holiday. It would net out the same in terms of debt, but this time, you keep your money and invest, save and spend as you like.

      • You do realize that roughly 1/3 of the stimulus plan was tax reductions on business and the middle/low income classes right? Jefferson was a staunch advocate of small/minimized military forces and the oppression of large corporations being intertwined with government.

        I too would enjoy the full context of your quotes.

        • I have no problem with what you write about reducing taxes and the government, in fact I am for the dismantling of the industrial military complex, which does nothing for long-term advancement of the economy. corporations can be big but they are in bed too close with big government. However, 1/3 being tax reductions is not radical enough. Why not balance the budget by cutting government and reducing taxes at the same time and not get involved with stimulus. Stimulus is nothing more than giving a sick person ten cans of energy drinks. I mean for the moment it may see like a good idea but there will be a cost in terms of long-term health.

  • To fix USA fiscally, change to consumption tax=FairTax

    We have lost our industrial base over the past 30 years and are to the end of our rope. If we do not correct our free trade policy by shedding our old closed border tax structure, we will not recover.

    • If we want to recover, we have to simply reduce the burden of government. Government job creation or industrial policy is a joke and a poor one at that.

      People have to understand that government does little but sap the energy and vitality out of the free market job creation engine. Every government or State agency I have dealt with has very marginal service and questionable purpose.

      Why not eliminate the income tax for example? And cut most of government, the world would not end.

      I also think the USA is far from over. America is so rich it is hard for someone who has not lived outside of the USA for a while to imagine the wealth of America.

  • What was the original reason for income tax?:

    What was the original reason for income tax?:
    Answer: “WAR”

    Would we have Corporatism and Crony Capitalism with out Income Tax?
    Answer: No way.

    Follow Income Tax Money toward the Military Industrial Complex , the Heat-Care Industrial Complex, the increasing welfare state and its bureaucracy and so many others conflict of interest and you know this is an immoral hoaxes to finance what a nation of freemen would never agree to finance on voluntary basis.

    That is why your so called Income Tax Duty needs to be imposed by force. That same force is finance with you income tax payments. Above all Jefferson was against Tyrants.

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